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It opens next week with a
mostly new cast and a
different conductor,
renowned Mozartian and
former Royal Opera Music
Director, Sir Colin Davis.
I meet up with Ketelsen on
the hottest day of the year
so far, journeying through
the seemingly ten miles of
backstage at the House and
arrive perspiring, to find
him sitting relaxed in
shorts and reading a novel.
'It's such a warm day', I
remark. 'True', he says.
'But it's better than rain!'
So after Henrik, Ketelsen
is back with another
operatic manservant, perhaps
the most famous of all –
Figaro. How different are
these two characters?
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'They're similar in some
ways, but they're a bit
different. I think Henrik is
a bit more openly insolent,
quite so; Figaro…is quite a
jealous spouse, and I think
that's where he gets into
trouble. They're similar
because they're both kind of
revolutionary, and Henrik is
fashioned after Figaro a
bit. Figaro is sort of
mischievous with a plan,
whereas Henrik's head is
elsewhere, he's sort of
mischievous for his own
benefit.'
David McVicar's
production is set in the
1830s in an elegant chateau,
and it's full of detail and
stage business. Does our new
Figaro find it compelling?
'Yes I do, I like it very
much. Business is fun as
long as it deals with the
plot. And I like very much
all the servants and actors
we have in the show. As was
explained to me, it matches
perfectly to the movie
Gosford Park, if you've
seen that? The
behind-the-scenes dealings
and relationships between
the servants, and especially
the servants and the
masters. You know, with
operas such as Figaro
and others that are done so
much and have been done in
an infinite number of ways,
directors run out of things
to do here and there, and he
really brings a new batch of
ideas to the mix, that
really make sense,
especially in scene
changes.'
Colin Davis has been
conducting Figaro and
the Mozart operas for
decades, as well as
recording the major works at
least once. What's it like
working with this legendary
figure from the world of
opera?
'Well, I try to suck
everything up he says, like
a sponge. The more you do
this, the more you realise
how little you know and
hopefully you keep an open
mind and try and learn a
little more from every
person that you work
with…Some people take the
attitude, 'I know it all,
why would I want to listen
to you?', but it's a
double-edged sword. It makes
you look ridiculous, people
think 'Why is he acting like
that, why doesn't he take
advice?' And on the other
hand, it limits you as a
performer. The more you
listen and take it in, the
better you get, hopefully,
ideally - that's the point,
right? To enrich and grow
personally as an artist.'
Davis' enormous knowledge
of the music he conducts
always brings new insights –
has anything stood out?
'He's mentioned a whole
bunch of things…probably ten
or fifteen things that come
to mind, if I went through
the score I could say, 'Here
he points out this' – and it
makes sense, dramatically.
He'll say, 'come in a little
early here because you're
arguing with the Count, and
if you leave that space as
written, it's very nice and
metric, yes, but it's vague
and doesn't have any passion
behind it.' When I was at
university – I think I was
19 – I wrote an essay on
him, never thinking I'd be
here singing at Covent
Garden with him as the
maestro. So it's all very
humbling. You know, think
about all the people he's
worked with, for how many
years – he still enjoys it,
he's passionate about it.
He's been a wealth of
knowledge.'
For the first revival of
Figaro, the Royal
Opera has brought together
an even more starry cast
than we heard in January.
Soile Isokoski and
Michael Volle play the
Almavivas; even the veterans
Helen Donath and
Robert Lloyd are making
cameo appearances. But
Figaro and his bride are
being played by suitably
young singers - Ketelsen, of
course, and Isabel
Bayrakdarian as Susanna.
What's the atmosphere like
in this amazing ensemble?
'Bob Lloyd, Robert Lloyd
– there's another one, I've
been asking him questions
left and right. To share the
stage with someone like that
is just amazing.
'It's good to have young
people in Figaro. It's tough
to always do. But we're
quite a young cast – I'm 34,
I think Isabel's 33,
something like that. For
opera, that's very young.
'The first time I met
Isabel, we were both in
Plàcido Domingo's
competition, Operalia - it
was in Los Angles. She won
first prize, and I was one
of the finalists. And then
we worked together in
Chicago as Masetto and
Zerlina in Don Giovanni.
'A couple of days into
rehearsal [for Figaro],
I'd been sick with a sinus
infection for just over two
weeks, so we weren't
touching a lot or kissing a
lot, you know. But we're
supposed to get intimate,
and Stefan at one point
said, 'You're gonna have to
get intimate and get to know
each other at some point!'
and I said, 'Ah, we're old
pals. I mean, I've had my
hands on her breasts when we
were in Chicago, so don't
worry about it, we'll get
back to it right like that!'
Mozart is the backbone of
Ketelsen's repertoire.
Forthcoming appearances
include more Figaros in
Barcelona and Boston, and
Leporello in Don Giovanni,
including the Covent Garden
revival in 2008. Is Mozart
still a great challenge to
sing, or is it comfortable?
'When I was younger, when
I was starting out, still
studying, I always thought
Mozart was very tough. Some
of it is, for me. It's quite
a common opinion that Mozart
is the most healthy thing
for a singer, it's the most
healthy activity for a
singer to do. I don't know
why it is – it's just the
way he wrote. I'm not sure
he did it purposely, it's
just that his style of
writing happens to be a
healthy way to produce
sound, nothing too driving,
it doesn't ask too much of
the singer – it's not like
Wagner where you should be
in your 40s when you start.
You could start with Mozart
when you're very young and
you'll never go wrong.'
'I've sung Guglielmo
before, in Cosí fan tutte,
and that wasn't comfortable,
but that was just a Fach
issue, it was just a little
too high. But typically, my
meat and potatoes Mozart is
Leporello in Don Giovanni
and Figaro in
Marriage of Figaro.
In the last two years
alone, Ketelsen has sung
three different roles in
Don Giovanni - the Don
himself, his servant
Leporello, and Masetto.
What's it like singing all
three roles?
'Ah, I've actually done
the four of them! The first
time I did Don Giovanni
was as the Commendatore in
English and I was 22 at the
time. Then I did Giovanni in
English in graduate school,
which was tough, that was
really tough. I've done a
lot of Leporellos since then
and I've just done my first
'real' Giovanni in Italian,
in Minneapolis. It was
enjoyable, though I think I
prefer Leporello – and then
there was Masetto in Chicago
with Bryn and
Isabel….Singing all 4 parts,
you really get to know the
show. And a lot of singers
have done that – you can
just do an entire scene by
yourself – sing Giovanni,
Leporello, sing Masetto. It
really helps you in the
sense that you know what the
other person is saying, and
it gives you a better
reaction to that, though
ideally you should know it
anyway. It gives you a
better overall picture and
feel for the piece.'
Having made a name for
himself as Figaro and
Leporello, does Ketelsen
have any plans for further
Mozart roles?
'I was asked to do a
Papageno recently, but I
turned it down because it's
not me. It's just a baritone
type of role. And Guglielmo
in Così – I sang it,
I sang every note, but I'm
just not a baritone. I have
the higher notes when I need
them, but I'll leave it to
the people who are naturally
that Fach. As far as
Sarastro's concerned, I
don't think I'll be asked –
I can sing all the notes of
that too, but people want
big and woofy sounds, which
is not me, I've more of a
bright sound.' And you have
to be eighty years old, I
suggest. 'Exactly! Maybe
after I've been retired for
twenty years!'
Nevertheless, Ketelsen
has further Mozart this year
in the form of concerts.
'It's a big Mozart year, so
everybody's doing it. At the
Proms with Roger Norrington,
I'm doing the finale of Don
Giovanni, and Mozart opera
highlights with John Eliot
Gardiner, though I'm not
exactly sure what I'm
singing yet. And I've got a
number of Figaros and
Leporellos, including here.'
Ketelsen is such a
laidback figure that I
wonder, did he always want
to be a singer? 'No it
wasn't always an ambition. I
have always sung, according
to my parents I've sung
since I was a baby. Whether
it was on pitch or not is
another issue, but I sang in
school choirs when I was
growing up, right all the
way through school…I did
competitions at high school
and did well. We had a
prominent music programme in
our home town, and the choir
director saw some potential
in me and encouraged me to
do the competitions.
'When I first went to
college, I didn't know what
I wanted to do – I actually
wanted to go to the army and
fly helicopters, so I joined
the National Guard and I was
in that for six years while
I went to college…I was two
years in a private college
and still had no idea what I
wanted to do, nothing
interested me. Then I
transferred to the state
college, the University of
Iowa, and I still wanted to
sing, still wanted to take
lessons to keep my voice up
because I'd always been told
'you should sing, it's a
good voice, blah blah blah'.
'Then the man who became
my voice teacher for the
next four years said, 'I
think you should become a
voice major' and I said 'OK,
whatever, it's as good as
anything else. So I did
that, and slowly but surely
I figured out that I was
actually good at it and I
could actually make a living
out of it. So I went from
there and went to grad
school and studied with a
man who was famous in the
50s, 60s, and 70s, named
Giorgio Tozzi. He sang
here a number of times.'
And on the soundtrack of
the movie of South
Pacific, I interject.
'There you go! That's not
Rossano Brazzi singing,
it's him singing 'Some
Enchanted Evening' [he
demonstrates]. 'Most people
don't know that, very good!'
'I went to Indiana
University grad school – it
was a much bigger pond, it's
the biggest music school in
the world. I did well there
and thought, OK, I can do
this for a living. From
there, I got an agent while
I was still at school, and
when I was done at school
things just started
happening. I did lots of
competitions, and I did
well, made a lot of money.'
Did training for all
those years help to prepare
him for the life of an opera
singer in the real world?
'It's to your advantage to
study longer because most
voices take time to
mature…It's not like the
business world where you do
your degree then suddenly
you're ready for the whole
world when you're 24. I was
finished with school, when I
was 27, and that's pretty
young. A lot of people don't
get a start until they're my
age now, early 30s, and
that's fine. You're really
considered a baby until
you're 40. It is an
advantage in my opinion.
'For me it worked out
perfectly. I found the
perfect teacher, I studied
with him for 4 years. At
that point in my learning,
which was nil, he was great:
I learned technique,
diction, languages, and then
I switched schools and
started studying with not as
technical a teacher, someone
who understood repertoire…I
learned so much in all this
time, and got a lot of
performance experience. So
by the time I was released
on the world, I had been
basically singing for a
professional opera company,
which was Indiana
University, because they run
it like an opera company,
with their own venue, a
1500-seat theatre, their own
costume shop, and their own
sets, and it's very
impressive. You have
rehearsals there like you do
in the real world.'
Out in the real world, on
the international opera
circuit, he's already worked
with some of the world's
great conductors. Who stands
out as a singer's conductor?
'David Robertson in St
Louis…He's just great. First
of all, most importantly for
me, he's just a regular nice
guy. Is that too much to
ask? Just a normal person!
Sometimes it feels like
they're hard to find…He
understands what the voice
is doing. He's just low-key,
he's cool with it, open to
suggestions, understands the
whole idea that it's a
collaboration – image that!
'And Colin, Sir Colin –
I'm not just saying this –
he's been around so long
that he must be doing
something right. He knows
what it's like to be a
singer, he's been around.
And he's equally low-key. If
he has a suggestion, it's
for the better of the
performance and the piece as
a whole. Ego has long since
taken a back seat. So I
really enjoyed working with
him….And Charles Mackerras
was very good too – you just
sit back and listen and wait
for the next gem.'
He recently made his Met
debut as Angelotti – 'It
wasn't my first time on
stage, though. I did their
competition in 1998, I was a
winner – so at least I knew
what it was like (not that
that made for fewer
butterflies on opening
night!)' and now he's back
at the Royal Opera House.
How does working here
compare to America?
'Just from a cultural
standpoint, it's more
ingrained in European
culture, obviously, it's the
birthplace of opera, Italy,
France, Germany. It's more
in your blood than it is in
ours. There are a comparable
amount of people who are big
opera fans. But I'm not so
sure that BP big screens
would work over there. I
love it – I wish it were
like that in the States.
Here, the public is more
knowledgeable on the whole
about opera.'
And what's it like
working for the Royal Opera?
'Everybody's just so nice,
and so eager to please. You
try and reciprocate;
hopefully it's a good
relationship. It's that way
in Chicago too, it's that
way in New York, though the
Met is quite a machine.'
Not only in demand in the
opera house, Ketelsen is
giving increasingly more
concert performances. As
well as the Mozart concerts
mentioned above, he returns
to London with the
Monteverdi Orchestra next
year in Haydn's The
Seasons, and appears
with the National Orchestra
of Paris later in the year.
How different are the
experiences of singing in
concerts and singing in
operas?
'From a performance
standpoint, I enjoy concerts
very much. But I think
operas are easier for me. In
concerts, you typically wear
a tuxedo, tails, tie,
there's no kneeling on the
floor, hugging, kissing,
flying through the air….But
even in concerts, you have
to put a little character in
it. Even in straight-laced
Messiah, you need to
be the voice of God or you
need to be Adam in The
Creation. Some concerts,
like I'm doing the Berlioz
Romeo and Juliet in
Paris with Colin [Davis],
and obviously, I'll be a
character. So I can put a
bit more into it.'
How about Lied recitals?
'It's quite intimidating to
me, although one accompanist
said to me once, even if
you're not in the best of
voice, just communicate with
them, tell a story – and
after that, it was like a
switch was flicked, and it
was so much easier.' He has
no definite plans at the
moment, though, saying that
there's no demand for Lieder
recitals.
What's his attitude to
new music? 'Contemporary
music – it's not my
favourite, but I'm open to
it.' Does he fancy having a
role written around him? 'Oh
gee, boy, that'd be rough!
No, course I'd take that.
Maybe I'd want to have some
imput, 'Can I have a line
here, that you can walk away
humming?!' Sure, how
flattering is that, course
I'd take it!'
With opera audiences
ageing daily, how does
Ketelsen see the future of
opera?
'With cautious optimism.
A lot of people are working
on it to keep opera
relevant. I'm a big fan of
outreach, especially for
kids. Because when you grow
up you go to things which
make you feel at home, that
make you comfortable. And if
you were exposed to opera as
a child, you're more likely
to enjoy it. So I think
outreach is a big part of
it. School music programmes
are a great part of it.
Exposure, so that people
don't have the
misconceptions that they
often do. You know, on the
radio a couple of weeks ago
at home, there was a talk
show with four hosts. They
were talking about opera and
this woman said, 'Ah, opera,
I do not like opera. Well,
I've never actually been to
one, but I can tell you
right now that I don't like
it'.
'I can't tell you how
many times I've brought new
people to a show – on my
travels I see lots of old
friends or relatives, and I
try and expose them to it.
And you'd be amazed how many
are surprised, they say, 'I
never knew' – especially
operas like Figaro or
Carmen - 'I knew
three numbers in that, I can
hum them'. And the stories,
it's like a play set to
music, it makes sense.
There's comedy and there's
drama. People are worried
that they won't understand
it and I say, 'There's
supertitles!' So like I say,
I have guarded optimism, I
am more optimistic in Europe
than I am in the States,
because people here know
more than they do there. And
you might be thinking,
that's not much – well, it's
even less in the States.'
At 34, Ketelsen is
already clearly one of the
great figures of opera in
the future. What aspirations
or plans does he have?
(You're allowed to be
normal, I tell him!)
'I just hope that I'm
part of my kids' lives
enough, and home enough –
it's tough. I've got to the
point where I say no a
little bit more, and say
'no, no, no, this amount of
time is set aside when I'm
going to be at home, because
nothing is more important to
me than that.
'As far as music is
concerned, in general, I
want to sing in all the
major houses in the world,
when I want to – not too
much! I guess I would like
to be one of the names that
comes up, when people say
'who do you want for this
role? This part would suit
Kyle!' – that would be nice.
And it would be nice to
leave your mark on something
after you've gone, too - for
my kids to look back in 50
years' time and say, 'Wow,
my dad left his mark, he did
this', and for someone to
come along to my kids and
say, 'I knew your dad, he
was a really nice guy'. I
think that would mean a lot
to them – and me.'
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