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It opens next week with a
mostly new cast and a
different conductor, renowned
Mozartian and former Royal
Opera Music Director, Sir
Colin Davis.
I meet up with Ketelsen on
the hottest day of the year so
far, journeying through the
seemingly ten miles of
backstage at the House and
arrive perspiring, to find him
sitting relaxed in shorts and
reading a novel. 'It's such a
warm day', I remark. 'True',
he says. 'But it's better than
rain!'
So after Henrik, Ketelsen
is back with another operatic
manservant, perhaps the most
famous of all – Figaro. How
different are these two
characters?
'They're similar in some
ways, but they're a bit
different. I think Henrik is a
bit more openly insolent,
quite so; Figaro…is quite a
jealous spouse, and I think
that's where he gets into
trouble. They're similar
because they're both kind of
revolutionary, and Henrik is
fashioned after Figaro a bit.
Figaro is sort of mischievous
with a plan, whereas Henrik's
head is elsewhere, he's sort
of mischievous for his own
benefit.'
David McVicar's production
is set in the 1830s in an
elegant chateau, and it's full
of detail and stage business.
Does our new Figaro find it
compelling?
'Yes I do, I like it very
much. Business is fun as long
as it deals with the plot. And
I like very much all the
servants and actors we have in
the show. As was explained to
me, it matches perfectly to
the movie Gosford Park,
if you've seen that? The
behind-the-scenes dealings and
relationships between the
servants, and especially the
servants and the masters. You
know, with operas such as Figaro
and others that are done so
much and have been done in an
infinite number of ways,
directors run out of things to
do here and there, and he
really brings a new batch of
ideas to the mix, that really
make sense, especially in
scene changes.'
"With operas such as
Figaro that are done
so much and have been done
in an infinite number of
ways, directors run out of
things to do here and there,
and he really brings a new
batch of ideas to the mix,
that really make
sense."
- Kyle Ketelsen on David
McVicar's production of Figaro.
Colin Davis has been
conducting Figaro and
the Mozart operas for decades,
as well as recording the major
works at least once. What's it
like working with this
legendary figure from the
world of opera?
'Well, I try to suck
everything up he says, like a
sponge. The more you do this,
the more you realise how
little you know and hopefully
you keep an open mind and try
and learn a little more from
every person that you work
with…Some people take the
attitude, 'I know it all, why
would I want to listen to
you?', but it's a double-edged
sword. It makes you look
ridiculous, people think 'Why
is he acting like that, why
doesn't he take advice?' And
on the other hand, it limits
you as a performer. The more
you listen and take it in, the
better you get, hopefully,
ideally - that's the point,
right? To enrich and grow
personally as an artist.'
Davis' enormous knowledge
of the music he conducts
always brings new insights –
has anything stood out?
'He's mentioned a whole
bunch of things…probably ten
or fifteen things that come to
mind, if I went through the
score I could say, 'Here he
points out this' – and it
makes sense, dramatically.
He'll say, 'come in a little
early here because you're
arguing with the Count, and if
you leave that space as
written, it's very nice and
metric, yes, but it's vague
and doesn't have any passion
behind it.' When I was at
university – I think I was
19 – I wrote an essay on
him, never thinking I'd be
here singing at Covent Garden
with him as the maestro. So
it's all very humbling. You
know, think about all the
people he's worked with, for
how many years – he still
enjoys it, he's passionate
about it. He's been a wealth
of knowledge.'
"I try to suck
everything up he says, like
a sponge. The more you do
this, the more you realise
how little you know and
hopefully you keep an open
mind and try and learn a
little more from every
person that you work
with."
- Kyle Ketelsen on working
with conductor Sir Colin
Davis.
For the first revival of Figaro,
the Royal Opera has brought
together an even more starry
cast than we heard in January.
Soile Isokoski and Michael
Volle play the Almavivas;
even the veterans Helen
Donath and Robert Lloyd
are making cameo appearances.
But Figaro and his bride are
being played by suitably young
singers - Ketelsen, of course,
and Isabel Bayrakdarian
as Susanna. What's the
atmosphere like in this
amazing ensemble?
'Bob Lloyd, Robert Lloyd
– there's another one, I've
been asking him questions left
and right. To share the stage
with someone like that is just
amazing.
'It's good to have young
people in Figaro. It's tough
to always do. But we're quite
a young cast – I'm 34, I
think Isabel's 33, something
like that. For opera, that's
very young.
'The first time I met
Isabel, we were both in Plàcido
Domingo's competition,
Operalia - it was in Los
Angles. She won first prize,
and I was one of the
finalists. And then we worked
together in Chicago as Masetto
and Zerlina in Don Giovanni.
'A couple of days into
rehearsal [for Figaro],
I'd been sick with a sinus
infection for just over two
weeks, so we weren't touching
a lot or kissing a lot, you
know. But we're supposed to
get intimate, and Stefan at
one point said, 'You're gonna
have to get intimate and get
to know each other at some
point!' and I said, 'Ah, we're
old pals. I mean, I've had my
hands on her breasts when we
were in Chicago, so don't
worry about it, we'll get back
to it right like that!'
"Stefan at one point
said, 'You're gonna have to
get intimate and get to know
each other at some point!'
and I said, 'Ah, we're old
pals. I mean, I've had my
hands on her breasts when we
were in Chicago, so don't
worry about it!'"
- Kyle Ketelsen on working
with co-star Isabel
Bayrakdarian.
Mozart is the backbone of
Ketelsen's repertoire.
Forthcoming appearances
include more Figaros in
Barcelona and Boston, and
Leporello in Don Giovanni,
including the Covent Garden
revival in 2008. Is Mozart
still a great challenge to
sing, or is it comfortable?
'When I was younger, when I
was starting out, still
studying, I always thought
Mozart was very tough. Some of
it is, for me. It's quite a
common opinion that Mozart is
the most healthy thing for a
singer, it's the most healthy
activity for a singer to do. I
don't know why it is – it's
just the way he wrote. I'm not
sure he did it purposely, it's
just that his style of writing
happens to be a healthy way to
produce sound, nothing too
driving, it doesn't ask too
much of the singer – it's
not like Wagner where you
should be in your 40s when you
start. You could start with
Mozart when you're very young
and you'll never go wrong.'
'I've sung Guglielmo
before, in Cosí fan tutte,
and that wasn't comfortable,
but that was just a Fach
issue, it was just a little
too high. But typically, my
meat and potatoes Mozart is
Leporello in Don Giovanni
and Figaro in Marriage
of Figaro.
In the last two years
alone, Ketelsen has sung three
different roles in Don
Giovanni - the Don
himself, his servant Leporello,
and Masetto. What's it like
singing all three roles?
'Ah, I've actually done the
four of them! The first time I
did Don Giovanni was as
the Commendatore in English
and I was 22 at the time. Then
I did Giovanni in English in
graduate school, which was
tough, that was really tough.
I've done a lot of Leporellos
since then and I've just done
my first 'real' Giovanni in
Italian, in Minneapolis. It
was enjoyable, though I think
I prefer Leporello – and
then there was Masetto in
Chicago with Bryn and
Isabel….Singing all 4 parts,
you really get to know the
show. And a lot of singers
have done that – you can
just do an entire scene by
yourself – sing Giovanni,
Leporello, sing Masetto. It
really helps you in the sense
that you know what the other
person is saying, and it gives
you a better reaction to that,
though ideally you should know
it anyway. It gives you a
better overall picture and
feel for the piece.'
Having made a name for
himself as Figaro and
Leporello, does Ketelsen have
any plans for further Mozart
roles?
'I was asked to do a
Papageno recently, but I
turned it down because it's
not me. It's just a baritone
type of role. And Guglielmo in
Così – I sang it, I
sang every note, but I'm just
not a baritone. I have the
higher notes when I need them,
but I'll leave it to the
people who are naturally that Fach.
As far as Sarastro's
concerned, I don't think I'll
be asked – I can sing all
the notes of that too, but
people want big and woofy
sounds, which is not me, I've
more of a bright sound.' And
you have to be eighty years
old, I suggest. 'Exactly!
Maybe after I've been retired
for twenty years!'
"'As far as
Sarastro's concerned, I
don't think I'll be asked
– I can sing all the
notes, but people want big
and woofy sounds, which is
not me…Maybe after I've
been retired for twenty
years!'"
- Kyle Ketelsen on the
prospect of future Mozart
roles.
Nevertheless, Ketelsen has
further Mozart this year in
the form of concerts. 'It's a
big Mozart year, so
everybody's doing it. At the
Proms with Roger Norrington,
I'm doing the finale of Don
Giovanni, and Mozart opera
highlights with John Eliot
Gardiner, though I'm not
exactly sure what I'm singing
yet. And I've got a number of
Figaros and Leporellos,
including here.'
Ketelsen is such a laidback
figure that I wonder, did he
always want to be a singer?
'No it wasn't always an
ambition. I have always sung,
according to my parents I've
sung since I was a baby.
Whether it was on pitch or not
is another issue, but I sang
in school choirs when I was
growing up, right all the way
through school…I did
competitions at high school
and did well. We had a
prominent music programme in
our home town, and the choir
director saw some potential in
me and encouraged me to do the
competitions.
'When I first went to
college, I didn't know what I
wanted to do – I actually
wanted to go to the army and
fly helicopters, so I joined
the National Guard and I was
in that for six years while I
went to college…I was two
years in a private college and
still had no idea what I
wanted to do, nothing
interested me. Then I
transferred to the state
college, the University of
Iowa, and I still wanted to
sing, still wanted to take
lessons to keep my voice up
because I'd always been told
'you should sing, it's a good
voice, blah blah blah'.
'Then the man who became my
voice teacher for the next
four years said, 'I think you
should become a voice major'
and I said 'OK, whatever, it's
as good as anything else. So I
did that, and slowly but
surely I figured out that I
was actually good at it and I
could actually make a living
out of it. So I went from
there and went to grad school
and studied with a man who was
famous in the 50s, 60s, and
70s, named Giorgio Tozzi.
He sang here a number of
times.'
And on the soundtrack of
the movie of South Pacific,
I interject. 'There you go!
That's not Rossano Brazzi
singing, it's him singing
'Some Enchanted Evening' [he
demonstrates]. 'Most people
don't know that, very good!'
"When I first went
to college, I didn't know
what I wanted to do – I
actually wanted to go to the
army and fly helicopters, so
I joined the National Guard
and I was in that for six
years while I went to
college."
- Kyle Ketelsen on the early
years of his training.
'I went to Indiana
University grad school – it
was a much bigger pond, it's
the biggest music school in
the world. I did well there
and thought, OK, I can do this
for a living. From there, I
got an agent while I was still
at school, and when I was done
at school things just started
happening. I did lots of
competitions, and I did well,
made a lot of money.'
Did training for all those
years help to prepare him for
the life of an opera singer in
the real world? 'It's to your
advantage to study longer
because most voices take time
to mature…It's not like the
business world where you do
your degree then suddenly
you're ready for the whole
world when you're 24. I was
finished with school, when I
was 27, and that's pretty
young. A lot of people don't
get a start until they're my
age now, early 30s, and that's
fine. You're really considered
a baby until you're 40. It is
an advantage in my opinion.
'For me it worked out
perfectly. I found the perfect
teacher, I studied with him
for 4 years. At that point in
my learning, which was nil, he
was great: I learned
technique, diction, languages,
and then I switched schools
and started studying with not
as technical a teacher,
someone who understood
repertoire…I learned so much
in all this time, and got a
lot of performance experience.
So by the time I was released
on the world, I had been
basically singing for a
professional opera company,
which was Indiana University,
because they run it like an
opera company, with their own
venue, a 1500-seat theatre,
their own costume shop, and
their own sets, and it's very
impressive. You have
rehearsals there like you do
in the real world.'
Out in the real world, on
the international opera
circuit, he's already worked
with some of the world's great
conductors. Who stands out as
a singer's conductor? 'David
Robertson in St Louis…He's
just great. First of all, most
importantly for me, he's just
a regular nice guy. Is that
too much to ask? Just a normal
person! Sometimes it feels
like they're hard to find…He
understands what the voice is
doing. He's just low-key, he's
cool with it, open to
suggestions, understands the
whole idea that it's a
collaboration – image that!
'And Colin, Sir Colin –
I'm not just saying this –
he's been around so long that
he must be doing something
right. He knows what it's like
to be a singer, he's been
around. And he's equally
low-key. If he has a
suggestion, it's for the
better of the performance and
the piece as a whole. Ego has
long since taken a back seat.
So I really enjoyed working
with him….And Charles
Mackerras was very good too
– you just sit back and
listen and wait for the next
gem.'
"Sir Colin – he's
been around so long that he
must be doing something
right. He knows what it's
like to be a singer, he's
been around. And he's
equally low-key...Charles
Mackerras was very good too
– you just sit back and
listen and wait for the next
gem."
- Kyle Ketelsen on working
with great conductors.
He recently made his Met
debut as Angelotti – 'It
wasn't my first time on stage,
though. I did their
competition in 1998, I was a
winner – so at least I knew
what it was like (not that
that made for fewer
butterflies on opening
night!)' and now he's back at
the Royal Opera House. How
does working here compare to
America?
'Just from a cultural
standpoint, it's more
ingrained in European culture,
obviously, it's the birthplace
of opera, Italy, France,
Germany. It's more in your
blood than it is in ours.
There are a comparable amount
of people who are big opera
fans. But I'm not so sure that
BP big screens would work over
there. I love it – I wish it
were like that in the States.
Here, the public is more
knowledgeable on the whole
about opera.'
And what's it like working
for the Royal Opera?
'Everybody's just so nice, and
so eager to please. You try
and reciprocate; hopefully
it's a good relationship. It's
that way in Chicago too, it's
that way in New York, though
the Met is quite a machine.'
Not only in demand in the
opera house, Ketelsen is
giving increasingly more
concert performances. As well
as the Mozart concerts
mentioned above, he returns to
London with the Monteverdi
Orchestra next year in Haydn's
The Seasons, and
appears with the National
Orchestra of Paris later in
the year. How different are
the experiences of singing in
concerts and singing in
operas?
'From a performance
standpoint, I enjoy concerts
very much. But I think operas
are easier for me. In
concerts, you typically wear a
tuxedo, tails, tie, there's no
kneeling on the floor,
hugging, kissing, flying
through the air….But even in
concerts, you have to put a
little character in it. Even
in straight-laced Messiah,
you need to be the voice of
God or you need to be Adam in The
Creation. Some concerts,
like I'm doing the Berlioz Romeo
and Juliet in Paris with
Colin [Davis], and obviously,
I'll be a character. So I can
put a bit more into it.'
"In concerts, you
typically wear a tuxedo,
tails, tie, there's no
kneeling on the floor,
hugging, kissing, flying
through the air….But even
in concerts, you have to put
a little character in it.
Even in straight-laced Messiah,
you need to be the voice of
God or you need to be Adam
in The Creation."
- Kyle Ketelsen on singing
in in concerts.
How about Lied recitals?
'It's quite intimidating to
me, although one accompanist
said to me once, even if
you're not in the best of
voice, just communicate with
them, tell a story – and
after that, it was like a
switch was flicked, and it was
so much easier.' He has no
definite plans at the moment,
though, saying that there's no
demand for Lieder recitals.
What's his attitude to new
music? 'Contemporary music –
it's not my favourite, but I'm
open to it.' Does he fancy
having a role written around
him? 'Oh gee, boy, that'd be
rough! No, course I'd take
that. Maybe I'd want to have
some imput, 'Can I have a line
here, that you can walk away
humming?!' Sure, how
flattering is that, course I'd
take it!'
With opera audiences ageing
daily, how does Ketelsen see
the future of opera?
'With cautious optimism. A
lot of people are working on
it to keep opera relevant. I'm
a big fan of outreach,
especially for kids. Because
when you grow up you go to
things which make you feel at
home, that make you
comfortable. And if you were
exposed to opera as a child,
you're more likely to enjoy
it. So I think outreach is a
big part of it. School music
programmes are a great part of
it. Exposure, so that people
don't have the misconceptions
that they often do. You know,
on the radio a couple of weeks
ago at home, there was a talk
show with four hosts. They
were talking about opera and
this woman said, 'Ah, opera, I
do not like opera. Well, I've
never actually been to one,
but I can tell you right now
that I don't like it'.
'I can't tell you how many
times I've brought new people
to a show – on my travels I
see lots of old friends or
relatives, and I try and
expose them to it. And you'd
be amazed how many are
surprised, they say, 'I never
knew' – especially operas
like Figaro or Carmen
- 'I knew three numbers in
that, I can hum them'. And the
stories, it's like a play set
to music, it makes sense.
There's comedy and there's
drama. People are worried that
they won't understand it and I
say, 'There's supertitles!' So
like I say, I have guarded
optimism, I am more optimistic
in Europe than I am in the
States, because people here
know more than they do there.
And you might be thinking,
that's not much – well, it's
even less in the States.'
At 34, Ketelsen is already
clearly one of the great
figures of opera in the
future. What aspirations or
plans does he have? (You're
allowed to be normal, I tell
him!)
'I just hope that I'm part
of my kids' lives enough, and
home enough – it's tough.
I've got to the point where I
say no a little bit more, and
say 'no, no, no, this amount
of time is set aside when I'm
going to be at home, because
nothing is more important to
me than that.
'As far as music is
concerned, in general, I want
to sing in all the major
houses in the world, when I
want to – not too much! I
guess I would like to be one
of the names that comes up,
when people say 'who do you
want for this role? This part
would suit Kyle!' – that
would be nice. And it would be
nice to leave your mark on
something after you've gone,
too - for my kids to look back
in 50 years' time and say,
'Wow, my dad left his mark, he
did this', and for someone to
come along to my kids and say,
'I knew your dad, he was a
really nice guy'. I think that
would mean a lot to them –
and me.'
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